Jump to content

Madico Charcool, 3M Color Stable, Pinnacle Formula One, 3M Crystalline

Guest Hawaii007

By Guest Hawaii007
in Window Tinting - General Discussion

Recommended Posts

Guest Hawaii007

Guest Hawaii007

Posted
Posted

Hi guys,

I was debating on what tint to get and from all my research, I was leaning towards the Madico Charcool versus 3M Color Stable because of the reasonable price versus performance and what I have read about 3M quality. However, after reading some of the postings here, especially recently, it seems like the quality of Madico has gone down, is that right? That kind of leaves me with Pinnacle Formula One, but that is 200 dollars more, do you guys think it is worth it? And even though 3M is much maligned, is their Crystalline good enough to over-come that reputation and make it worthwhile if priced the same as Pinnacle Formula One?

Thanks in advance!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
capt bill

capt bill

Posted
Posted

Hawaii007,

The quality of Madico films has not gone down, I would say its the best its ever been. I will be happy to send you a sample of the Charcool so you can work with the film and make your own decision about the film. If your interested, you can contact me directly at Bstewart@madico.com.

Thx

Bill

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest VaTinterPMan

Guest VaTinterPMan

Posted
Posted

Since the merger I saw customer service go down...But you are talking about much different films man.... Charcool with mess with certain things cause it is a hybrid film...Meaning it has metal in it....

What do you want?? Do you want more heat blockage?? If so go with the pinnacle from F1 cause it is worth it!! A tint job that you are going to have for 5 8 years is worth it....I Tinted my moms camry 8 years ago and I did it in Charcool and it was fine till the day she sold it...it just didnt block as much heat..I did 35% all around...The Crystalline is a good film too but its hard to use....The F1 and Crystalline are both signal enabling and heat blocking films...

Depending on what you want IDK, but if it was me I would go with F1....you might get a better job with the F1 maybe IDK there are a lot of us that are good/great tinters that dont use F1 cause it is so damn expensive and what not....But F1 dealers are very Professional from what I have seen....:twocents

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest AccutintBellevue

Guest AccutintBellevue

Posted
Posted

We've used the F1 Pinnacle and Classic (color-stable dyed) for many years. Our customers are happy! We're happy! (Yeah, the Pinnacle is a bit pricey.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
The ///Man

The ///Man

Posted
Posted

Pinnacle is super nice.

friend had 3m CS on his last car, I did the Llumar CTX on his new one. They show the same heat rejection numbers, but he said the CTX blocked noticeably more heat. Pinnacle is every bit as good as CTX and probably a bit better on the performance side of things. That is the way I would lean if I had the money. I don't have the money, so I just own a tint shop instead, haha.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
vquestfilms.com

vquestfilms.com

Posted
Posted

What??!? They have the same TSER number but one feels like it blocks more heat than the other? Say it ain't so :DD

Sarcasm off. I'm kinda blending this with another thread. My point is, TSER isn't the ultimate answer to heat blockage...

Let's use the proper term "energy" rather than "heat"... now please explain bama. Afterall, window film is a filter not an airconditioner...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TomTint

TomTint

Posted
Posted

Hi guys,

I was debating on what tint to get and from all my research, I was leaning towards the Madico Charcool versus 3M Color Stable because of the reasonable price versus performance and what I have read about 3M quality. However, after reading some of the postings here, especially recently, it seems like the quality of Madico has gone down, is that right? That kind of leaves me with Pinnacle Formula One, but that is 200 dollars more, do you guys think it is worth it? And even though 3M is much maligned, is their Crystalline good enough to over-come that reputation and make it worthwhile if priced the same as Pinnacle Formula One?

Thanks in advance!

If this a car you really care about having a quality product on, go with the Formula One. They don't sell F1 to any jamoke with a squeegee and will in all likelihood be a reputable dealer. So if in the future you have any issues, they will be there to address them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
lostinbama

lostinbama

Posted
Posted

What??!? They have the same TSER number but one feels like it blocks more heat than the other? Say it ain't so :DD

Sarcasm off. I'm kinda blending this with another thread. My point is, TSER isn't the ultimate answer to heat blockage...

Let's use the proper term "energy" rather than "heat"... now please explain bama. Afterall, window film is a filter not an airconditioner...

No, because light it also energy and I don't care about blocking light. This is exactly my point. I'm asking, can a film have a higher TSER because of what all it rejects, but not actually block as much HEAT?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TintJunkie

TintJunkie

Posted
Posted

Since the merger I saw customer service go down...But you are talking about much different films man.... Charcool with mess with certain things cause it is a hybrid film...Meaning it has metal in it....

CharCOOL contains no metal in it, and is not a hybrid film. It is the same film as Charcoal but with another layer added to it to bring it to color stable.

I have also noticed the lack of customer service and support with the merger. I'll credit Bill with a phone call, but nothing has improved, and I dont believe for a second that CharCOOL is better than before. First off, the color is different from the original, which may be a good thing. Second, the film now has an orange peel look to it every other roll I got. Lastly, I have noticed the film start to fail within a year and a half, which could have just been a bad roll...who knows. You also get a super cool SunGard box with your Madico film inside, what a joke!

Hell, Ron Jones left Madico to go to Huper! I had a bitchin time with him, partied with him until 4:30am one night at a dealer meeting, and he genuinely expressed his love for Madico films, but this was 4 years ago...what happened?

This is coming from the biggest Madico horn tooter. Ive been told by people that Madico reads my posts here. Fine, read them. You guys are gonna lose your edge you may have developed in the past. SunGard failed multiple times and you guys think that people want to buy Madico in a SunGard box?? HA!

Go with the F1.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
  •   Sponsored by
    The Tint Tutor

    ride wrap

    signwarehouse

    Lexen

    martinmetalwork.com

    rxactlite.com

    rewiredtech.io

    tintwiz

    tinttek

    auto-precut.com

    filmvinyldesigns

  • Activity Stream

    1. 0

      Vega Motorsport is expanding its Team. We need an Experienced Automotive Glass Tinter in Waldorf, MD. 20602

      Duties- Install Automotive glass Film with a high level of quality, be punctual and reliable in attendance, and Perform miscellaneous job-related activities. Requirements:- High School Diploma or GED, At least 2 years experience in automotive glass tinting. Must be a team player who can work in a high-demand shop and get the job done promptly. Courteous to staff and customers. Salary is negotiable based on skill and experience. Call 301 932 8342 or Send CV and cover letter to darrel@vegadetailing.com
      sunstoppers waldorf in Classifieds • Employment • Marketplace
    2. 4,190

      What did you tint today?

      True Story!
      Tintbox in Window Tinting - General Discussion
    3. 8

      Car Wrap HELP NEEDED

      If the problem is with the glue of the car wrap, you can use an adhesion promoter
      Jodan in Paintless Dent Repair & Vehicle Wraps
    4. 0

      HIRING WINDOW TINTERS PPF WRAP TECHS

      Good base pay against commission. Must have at least 2yrs. Experience. Have our own tools. Clean driver's license. Auto residential and commercial operations. 2 locations since 1993 . Pasadena California and Glendora california. Vipcenters.com Moderntouchfilms.com Contact Robert 626 255 4987.
      ROBVIP in Classifieds • Employment • Marketplace
    5. 4,190

      What did you tint today?

      Haven’t quit yet. But these really make me wanna
      no ma'am in Window Tinting - General Discussion
    6. 0

      Window Tinting Looking for an experienced Installer. Also needs a car or truck to car

    7. 0

      Austin, TX - Experienced Window Tinters - Full Time- $1000 Signing Bonus - W2 - Year Round Work - Willing to Relocate

      Company Background: Auto Tinting Austin LLC is a 5-Star rated Window Tinting business established in 2013. We offer high quality products, expert installation and excellent customer service. We Offer: -A Very Positive and Supportive Work Atmosphere -Consistent Work Year Round -Very Competitive Pay -Air Conditioned Bay -Tool Allotment -Snacks and Lunches -$1000 Sign On Bonus -Willing to Assist in Relocating the Right Candidate -Porter and Tint Shop Support Team -Plotter, Bottles, Shampoo Etc All Provided Job Duties: Seeking experienced window tinting technician to install automotive window film. Experience with plotter and hand cutting. Ability to operate manual vehicles for parking and moving. Will work with a helper team that can step in to cut film, move cars, remove film. Positive atmosphere. Hours: Schedule is open Monday-Saturday. Pay: $1000 Sign on Bonus! $1000-$2500+/Week Full Time, $300-600/Day Part Time ---BASE PAY AND TIPS!! Please call to schedule interview. 512-956-8468 Manager: Jody/Aric Auto Tinting Austin LLC 1601 Bench Mark Dr. Ste C Austin, TX 78728 www.AutoTintingAustin.com Job Type: Full-time Job Type: Part-time Pay: $1500-$2500+/Week Full Time, $300-600/Day Part Time
      AutoTintingAustinLLC in Classifieds • Employment • Marketplace
    8. 4

      Dual Low E Question

      To clarify for any public folks reading and industry folks that may not know: The LowE dual coating spoke of by the OP is a rare bird for use in area south of Iowa,USA. The only reason(s) I believe Cardinal (based in Wisconsin) placed the second coating on surface 4 is, 1) is to sell that type glazing system in areas that experience extreme cold below to above 0 F for nights on end and on 4 it is more effective at retention for that use. Iowa is logically the furthest south it should be recommended for. That said, the other coating on surface 2 is the hi-performance coating. This high performance coating is capable of rejecting solar energy, in a LowE2 glazing system of 60%+/- and up to 94% when considering Low4. A LowE4 dual pane would be the ticket in Australia's seriously hot spots. Sadly, if it caught on there, it would impact the window film industry in regions it is useful. Although, LowE4 is pricey at this point in time. A friend of mine had a sun room built on his house in Southern Virginia using LowE4, even as a roof. The vast majority of dual coating LowE glazing involves no coating on surface 4, the exception being original LowE that has not been readily available since around year 2000. Surface 2 & 3 is considered the norm today, for warmer climates north of tropical. Also, the hi-performance LowE2, 3 & 4 glazing systems are very effective at UV reduction (to my understanding in the mid to upper 90's). Original LowE first came on the scene in my early years in the industry and many of us didn't know unless the owner told us, and even with that knowledge, we did not know film covering the coating on surface 4 would rendered LowE ineffective. Those days, single pane LowE existed and the coating would be on surface 2, then.
      Tintguy1980 in Window Tinting - General Discussion
    9. 4

      Dual Low E Question

      Where I live in Western Australia, we generally focus more on solar energy rejection than heat retention. In recent years builders have jumped onto the low E and double-glazing bandwagon, telling their clients that they will have an energy efficient window, therefore saving them money on energy bills. What they don't tell them is that they will still be wanting to get their glass tinted once they realise how useless these types of windows are in our climate. I won't touch double glazed windows due to risks involved but with low E glass I tell the customer that we can only use a light scouring sponge on the surface to clean before installation, not our usual razor blades. They're usually cool with that. And if they're not, I'm not too bothered about missing out on their job.
      doctor4766 in Window Tinting - General Discussion
    10. 9

      Any XPEL Dealers?

      Thats good there’s not too many other shops offering it. I think a lot of customers choose a tint company based off reviews.
      pbalentine in Window Tinting - General Discussion
×
×
  • Create New...